Posts by Anna Marina

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JWs just called at my daughter's house and said the end is near because .....

by Xanthippe in

the world is getting worse, for example children are getting more cheeky!.

proof positive!

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QUESTION BAG

by Vanderhoven7 in

there are questions that come up from time to time that i need an answer to or a quotation from the watchtower literature to support....but not necessarily worthy of devoting an entire new thread to.

if anyone has a questions that they would like answered, why not post it on this thread and see if our collective can be of assistance in answering it.. here is mine for today: .

would a person who has a blood transfusion automatically be disassociating himself from the jehovah's witnesses?

Anna Marina

No one should be disfellowshipped for trying to save their life.

But for the record, non-blood medical management is the safest form of treatment if the option is available to you. In part, I am speaking from my own involvement (I played a very small part) in changing health policy throughout a large part of UK. Studies brought to the attention of the health services showed that in relation to certain kinds of cancer, if you did not have a blood transfusion the chances of a better outcome for you were much improved. Moreover, it was cheaper. So much so the military were interested.

The evidence was so overwhelming that clinicians and judiciary approved the change in policy very quickly. If I remember correctly the policy change was to use cell salvage rather than give a transfusion.

Non JW family members have undergone surgery without blood and have come through well. GP friends who at one time felt blood was necessary have changed their minds and would opt to not have a blood transfusion if possible.

But in my case I got df'd for sticking to the words of the prophet Daniel. But there are plenty of things they'll turn a blind eye to when it suits them as Sir82 said.

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Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

by Anna Marina in

wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

Anna Marina

Yup and that puts them in pole position to compel members to be marked with the number 666. Just another bit of new light.

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JWs just called at my daughter's house and said the end is near because .....

by Xanthippe in

the world is getting worse, for example children are getting more cheeky!.

proof positive!

.

Anna Marina

My suggestion for a reply is, "well I think you are being cheeky coming to my door and I bet even you have serious misgivings about what you are doing. Also I bet you wonder what on earth people think of you. Please leave your leaflet in the green wheelie bin. Thank you. Good bye."

Could also have said, "what are you doing here? Aren't you supposed to be chained to a trolley in the High Street?"

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Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

by Anna Marina in

wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

Anna Marina

I could never get my head round the bit where they implied God's will hadn't been done in heaven until Satan was cast out.

Kind of boggled the mind in relation to the Lord's prayer where you say, "thy will be done on earth AS it is in heaven."

Not that they say the Lord's prayer much - actually I don't recall it ever being said at the KH except maybe an extract in someone's answer or a WT paragraph.

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Governing Body - Time in Ministry

by Peeringin in

is there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?

by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.

i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?

Anna Marina

I felt I was offered a golden ticket so to speak. Just keep saying you are a pioneer and you don't need to do any hours. But we'll have you on the platform and every convention and assembly.

The offer was partly made to me and given the circumstances I read the rest into the offer. I was troubled by it because it was as if I was being asked to compromise my conscience to be a Z-list celebrity. As if I even wanted that, even if it was A-list celeb status.

My hand was being gently patted at the time and warm encouragement was being given. So I pulled my hand away and stood down from being a pioneer. I was disgusted.

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Debate

by gabcol in

back in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.

why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?

i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.

Anna Marina

HI Giordano

They've taken to the green issues now, big time. It's all melting polar ice caps and honey bees. Save the planet, aim at the students.

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Video stream of D/Convention this year?

by BluesBrother in

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i wonder if anyone has a link to an uninterrupted stream of the district convention sessions this year.?

in times past they were all on youtube or a site called wts archive..... but not this time.

has anybody got more information?

Anna Marina

The grey chairs at the end of that video about what goes on behind the scenes filming - they look exactly like the chairs used at the conventions I've attended. Wonder who the chair supplier is? They must be doing good business.

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Debate

by gabcol in

back in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.

why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?

i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.

Anna Marina

Hi Smiddy - be interesting to know what happened to Brother Kinnimouth.

There were some with excellent Bible knowledge. Its as if you come in thinking all is well, then slowly realise you have been brought in to have a gag put on you. Once you realise that and the pressure starts to come, you either shut up or get out.

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Debate

by gabcol in

back in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.

why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?

i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.

Anna Marina

They wouldn't even debate with the prophet Daniel. They'd just ask him who the heck he thought he was.